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Re: Item List (html file) 11 years, 2 months ago #742

Aznagroth wrote:

I did some testing conserning ruins. I picked up quest for an item in a ruin with one hero and summoned items with another until I got that item. I then searched the ruin and got gold. I was able to do this twice during the game.


Good to know the game puts gold in there instead of nothing.

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At the end of the game I had searched 42/50 ruins, which meant that there were 8 hidden ruins. I did easy quests to get access to those ruins. I knew there were only 2 items left that I didn't have. Bane's crown and the cross of power. I did get several offers for the cross by a merchant while doing easy quests, I did not get any offer of bane's crown. I did find bane's crown in one of the ruins, I did not find the cross of power in any of them.


This makes sense. Merchants can't sell items that are in ruins. So once you see an offer for an item you know it's not in a ruin. In the same regard, you can't get a item as a quest reward that is in a ruin.

Aznagroth wrote:

I guess the ruin is predetermined since I had passed a few sages close to the last ruin offering mana crystals, which is what were in that last ruin.


Correct. Ruins rewards are predetermined at map creation time. So either an item is in a ruin or it's not.

Aznagroth wrote:

I did only do a few quests, but it seems to me like you can't get quests that give you any item that is hidden in a ruin.


You just didn't try hard enough. It's *very* common to get quests for items that are hidden in ruins. You need to do a Medium quest to get it and you need to be reasonably close to the item in question (for this reason I never use sages to reveal items since I know I can get them to be revealed by a quest). However, some hidden items like artifacts (Banes Crown/Godsword) won't come as medium item quests when in hidden ruins. It appears the game reserves those only for rewards/sages as I once was offered the Godsword by a Sage and I turned it down and tried to get it via quest several times and was unable to do so.

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Re: basic game mechanics (guide) 11 years, 2 months ago #743

For your tests, I suggest you modify the default.rul file to give say 500XP for searching a ruin so you can get to L10 on turn 2


just select your hero, press F8 and type: there can be only one. and he will receive 1000 xp.
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Re: Item List (html file) 11 years, 2 months ago #747

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Aznagroth wrote:

I did only do a few quests, but it seems to me like you can't get quests that give you any item that is hidden in a ruin.


You just didn't try hard enough. It's *very* common to get quests for items that are hidden in ruins. You need to do a Medium quest to get it and you need to be reasonably close to the item in question (for this reason I never use sages to reveal items since I know I can get them to be revealed by a quest). However, some hidden items like artifacts (Banes Crown/Godsword) won't come as medium item quests when in hidden ruins. It appears the game reserves those only for rewards/sages as I once was offered the Godsword by a Sage and I turned it down and tried to get it via quest several times and was unable to do so.

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Sorry for not being clear here. What I was talking about was getting the item as REWARD from a hard quest. While on the topic. I have only gotten a quest for finding an item as average quest. This quest is from ruins only. Recovering a stolen item from hard quest seems to pick a random item carried by an enemy hero.

While doing all this testing a got capped at 32000gold. This information isn't important or anything but there it is!
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Re: basic game mechanics (guide) 11 years, 2 months ago #762

New question!!!

Under what rules does armies get generated when starting a 3000points game over pbem? As far as I could see only random placement is possible. I know how good the cheap peasants can be in such games. Is there a way to predict/force the outcome of this random placement?
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Re: basic game mechanics (guide) 11 years, 2 months ago #763

its not random but based on setup parameter of units. units with the highest setup are placed first to the max, then lower etc.
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