Less units/heroes, less abilities (no teleport, necromancy, lighting, acid, paralysis, trample, questing, slayers..), poison effect -1 str, no barracks, watching towers. So, less everything. Though the stuff is better balanced imho in the RoH. With exception to dragons - they are OP as archers dont have +3 str vs flyers. Stack speeds are slower.

And interface theme is more pleasant. I find DLR GUI skins quite disturbing personaly and it was also one of the reason why K-man closed Warlords Central iirc DLR was too 'satanic' for him.

p.s.: elephants have 2 hp and provide +2 morale there

Thanks for explanation.

And what about AI? Does it do well with the new units?

Well, of course, there are orcs, demons and such in Warlords 3. I meant that there are no races in sense as they were in Warlords IV, divided in tiers, when every race has a cheap melee fighter, a shooter, a siege engine and so on.

The units I use I can't remember offhand, mostly the available units from the packs like Stormheim and stuff like that. They are all publicly available in the download section anyway.

That's what I want to know. So I should download and install all of them for any purpose...

Hi.

It's so wonderful that you keep this good old game alive. I'm new in Warlords so my question can be idiotic... What unit set you use in campaigns you made? And you posted some threads about the races. But as I had noticed, there are no races in Warlords 3 DLR as they are in Warlords 4. Or am I wrong?

Thanks in advance. As soon as I can I'll try to give you feedback about your campaigns.

The pure take-and-hold strategy didn't work (this try). I might try it again some time because I failed to use a couple of key assets I had. One was my priest which I should have at least tried to level up enough to get a bless spell going on my fodder. The +1 from bless on top of the +5/-3 combat bonus wedge I already had going would have been nice. The other (bigger one) was that I obtained a Necromancy item but unfortunately didn't really know what such an item did until I saw it in action later in the game -- it only works when attacking while I was only defending at that point. If I retry I'll have to attack their stacks in the field as they come so I can convert them to undead and then use the undead to defend my 2nd city and possibly expand. But I'll leave that for some other time. (It probably still won't be enough -- when the AI switched from using its available stock to having to depend on production the rate of enemy troops arriving didn't slow down as I expected -- the AI seemed to be able to produce units faster than I would have thought given the number of cities it had and how many multi-turn units the AI was using.)

As it played out this time, when my fodder (dwarven and heavy infantry) was exhausted and the enemy started eating into the few minotaurs I had, I retreated back to my mountain fortress. Taking the 2nd city (and holding it for a while) was not a total waste of time though -- I think I got every magic item on the entire map from their heroes sacrificing themselves upon the shores of my defenses. I ended up getting not one, but two flying items. Having a flying item meant I no longer had to see if I could save up for green dragons to raze cities faster than the AI can rebuild -- I could instead attack with produced troops (specifically minotaurs, which have a +2 city combat bonus). It also meant I could bring other troops to provide bonuses, such as a siege engine. Because I had two flight items I could even use a secondary hero to ferry replacement troops between my capital and my primary hero and keep my main hero stack busier.

However, after just a few cities and no action from the AI, rapid razing was just rubbing me the wrong way. I switched to taking "raze city" quests instead -- at least then I could (try to) pretend that the "just following orders" excuse is a valid reason for burning cities to the ground. That slowed things down a bit, but meant I got more bonuses along the way. (I chose mana crystals when I could so I could power up mighty feast, song of life, bless, haste.) More bonuses also meant I didn't have to raze so many cities (which I don't like doing) before switching to a more "constructive" strategy. Once I was ready, I took two heroes and used them to take-and-hold two cities. After that I started reconstructing all of the cities I previously destroyed. The AI was also reconstructing cities, but was way slower at it than me (probably in part due to it wasting gold on heroes that it would then suicide on me). During this period I didn't take any AI cities except for one where the AI was picking up a site bonus that I wanted.

After every city on the map was rebuilt, I started taking AI cities. The AI gave up after I took two of its cities.

some final stats:
turn AI gives up: 1691
my cities: 28
total cities: 40
upkeep: 419 (16 units per city plus about 4 hero stacks)
income: 1807
units lost: 170
allies lost: 4 (3 green dragons taking the 2nd city, 1 defending it before vectored troops arrived)
heroes lost: 0
enemy units killed: 1640
enemy allies killed: 34
enemy heroes killed: 23
battles won: 287
battles lost: 1 (that "battle" was the 2nd city after I abandoned it, leaving no defenders)
heroes disbanded: 8 (7 farming green dragons; a 2nd alchemist that turned out to be useless)

Hey Slayer,

Did you notice his situation about his starting location/City and his army set?
He is surrounded by mountains and has only access to flyers as a Green Dragon in the 4th ally slot.

That's why his game is crazy.

Slayer: Yes, it's against the AI. Razing is set to "On Capture". I could try a razing approach, but several cities were already razed earlier in the game (by opposing AIs which are now dead) and the AI rebuilt them. I don't know if I could raze them faster than the AI can rebuild. If I end up having to give up on my current strategy of take-and-hold though, I may try that as a backup strategy. (And if anyone wants to peruse a save game at any given point, I've got 20+ "perma-saves" so far.)

It would appear that if you only have one city, you can only have two heroes. As soon as I disbanded one of my current heroes, I was able to successfully hire another. However, I was *also* hitting some kind of unit limit -- I would get the hero, but none of the troops that were displayed in the offer screen. So in addition to disbanding a hero I had to disband units. In fact, I had to disband lots of units -- apparently the units must be weighted by their strength or cost or something (with one green dragon being worth a lot of weakling units). I eventually accumulated 8 green dragons and 8 other various units (including my hero) at which point I couldn't enlist any more green dragons. (Hiring a hero with green dragons would give me the hero, but not the dragons. Thinking back on it, maybe I could have tried again but with a hero with only a single green dragon rather than two in case there was some all-or-nothing logic going on there, but I'm sure I had seen a contrary case before so I don't know.)

Oh, did I mention I am now a bit beyond turn 1300? Saving up for those green dragons took a while. (Gross income = 35, upkeep = 11, net income = 24.) Also, I purchased all of the items that were offered for sale. (I did start seeing other items once I bought the ones I had seen many times before, but I think it might have had more to do with having enough gold for the other items rather than some type of purchase prerequisite.) I think the merchant may be done selling stuff to me though, because I managed to ramp my gold all the way up to 5,000 (in preparation for attack, as mentioned above) without getting any more merchant offers.

Nice, looking forward to the finished product.

There are plenty of old Ghosts here.

It's just that many of them are off haunting other places and don't get back to this graveyard that often. After all, unless you have a problem or are looking for players for games there isn't a whole lot of new stuff going on in 10+ year old games.

KGB

Does anyone know the rhyme or reason between which items your heroes get to keep and which ones they leave behind in campaign in WL3 DLR? Cheers:)

shi file is a 50 bytes binary file
very most of its content is unused, you are interested only in a first byte.



possible values:
0 - base (red, black etc)
1 - ordinary (stripes of different kinds and also the flame)
2 - charge (figures: dragons, lions etc)